always welcum an open discussion regardless of whether i agree or disagree wif povs...
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Bro Omnia,
want to comment on Jose, just for discussion ok? no ill feel.
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errr...i think i said this in respect of rafa not jose...
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the thing is, while i think he is a good manager, i dont think he will be a better replacement for Rafa. i dont think he really got, like u said, the clue to win EPL.
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regardless jose still had to produce the goods instantly or else he too wld hv been shown the door at the end of his first season at the bridge...something which raneiri, grant and scolari were unable to do...another probable apt eg. wld be pelligrini at madrid...$$$ does not necessarily = instant success...
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its more like he was luckier/street-smarter to have picked better clubs to manage so far.
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by mentioning "luck" time n again i think u r being a tad unfair to jose...same wif yr reference that the EPL at that time may hv been easier to win back then...if that really was the case, then raneiri sld hv won the EPL, but he did not...
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Chelsea were already a strong team under Ranieri (finished 2nd in 2003-04 campaign), so were Inter Milan. not to discredit him for winning the league, but it is easier to win the league when u manage a strong squad left behind by unluckier manager before i; just like Benitez did with Valencia, he was left with strong squad from Hector Cuper. also, you got to take into account the other teams' squad. when Jose took over, there were only 2 other main competitors in the League, Arsenal and Man Utd. it was easier back then. anyway, in his last season with Chelsea, Man Utd won the League..
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so what if the reds became a strong contender?(which btw i disagree, it was only last season that the reds maintained a strong challenge to the end of the season)...i don't see how this wld change things for both ranieri n scolari if they had that x factor nous...btw i dont think spurs/man city/villa/reds count this season as they were/are battling it out for 4th...as for Hughes, he literally had an open cheque before the start of this season...hence his team sld hv been performing much better than it did results wise...
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When Avram Grant took over, Liverpool have become a strong contender to the Title, so is when Scolari took over. Now, the league is even more competitive due to the massive improvement in Totenham and Man City. side track, Hughes started with what kind of squad in Man City?
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yup i generally agree wif what u said abt rafa n his influence on gerrard/carra/torres/masch/reina/alonso...but rafa was unfortunately still unable to find a balance...also why the apparent slump in form in majority of his star players all at the sametime?...also i wonder whether all these players hv that strong personal bond/connection wif rafa that jose seemed to hv wif his lot at the bridge...fm carra's book n interviews wif gerrard/torres/alonso, it wld appear that the ans is unlikely...
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u said, Jose made Terry, Lampard, Cole a better player, didnt we see the same with Carra, Gerrard? in GH era, u saw a young energetic midfielder running wildly, in RB era, Gerrard become the complete midfielder he is now! in my opinion even Torres owe it to Benitez to make him so famous now. Torres is a talent in A. Madrid, but under Benitez guidance, he blossom and become deadlier in Liverpool. so are Reina, Alonso and Mascherano. a good manager make a star of his players. Reina was criticized for punching the ball rather than tryin to catch it, but RB encouraged him to punch the ball out, because a GK job is not to catch ball or not, its to keep the ball out of the goal post! Alonso in Real Sociedad was a decent playmaker at best, but playing for Benitez, he become the maestro passmaker. Mascherano in West Ham under Alan Cursherby is not even playin football. but under Benitez, he is widely recognised as the best defensive mid.
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sorry but rafa has thus far failed to make the reds a consistent EPL challenger...only last season counts in my book...n i dont think it matters that much whether rafa was given the $$$ over a long period as opposed to wifin a season provided he is given a reasonable length of time to build his team...in this regard i wld say 6 seasons appears pretty reasonable to me...
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for Rafa to make Liverpool from also ran team to a title contender with such constrained budget is an achievement. he doesnt have one lump sum of 80-100 mil to spend to tweak the squad in one season like Jose had, or Hughes had. but have to do it slowly and pain-stakingly, season by season. A star player a season. if lucky, 2 star players.
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the winning manager deserves the credit because regardless of who built up the core...the previous manager still failed to complete the deal i.e. win the EPL...that is a fact...as for not appreciating what rafa has done...i disagree if u r talking abt journos & fans who come up wif constructive criticism backed up by rational substantiation...istanbul n even athens has always been appreciated...so too last season's 2nd in the EPL...but that success & appreciation sld not be used as blind faith in rafa...
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and the thing that i am gonna dislike the most is, if a new manager come in, and he won the league, people gonna praise the new manager and forgot that the core team is left by Benitez already. just somehow feel that his effort so far have been unappreciated, not just by the journalists, but also to his own teams' fans!
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if it was just this season...perhaps i may agree more wif what u say...but i get the impression that it goes further than that even after discounting for the ownership $$$ turmoil factors...i stand by what i said previously that it appears that rafa does not appear to get the EPL...
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i just want to "da bao bu ping" at times. people should learn to be more "ying shui shi yuan" and be gratitude for work well done. 1 bad season and everybody asking for his head.. haiz..
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